the nonexistent one_if_by_sea ([info]one_if_by_land) wrote,
@ 2008-08-26 20:29:00
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Current mood:even barrel arc was less gay
Entry tags:naruto

Ninja'ing it old school
IS ANYONE STILL READING NARUTO? I finally caught up and dude, this shit turned gay. Even more than the Sai arc!

WOW, who would've thought that 400 chapters later we would discover that Itachi had more function than simply making Sasuke into the perfect emo kid!!! Despite the dramaticized (bondage? seriously?) storytelling and Madara's SUPER PEDO-VIBES (how creepy, no wonder Itachi didn't want him near his little brother), my heart flutters for Uchiha-cest (brother complexes! ♥♥) and the whole arc even made me shed a few tears. Well, when I wasn't too busy laughing over how Kishimoto-sensei had to resort to using Sasuke's 10-ft ROPE belt (tres chic) and Itachi's avant-garde (hey the floating clouds are very modern art) Akatsuki cloak to distinguish the two of them in their battle. All that spiky black hair and hateful kaleidoscope eyes begin to look awfully identical after they've exchanged a few punches.

I know Zetsu recorded the Uchiha battle for Madara's viewing pleasure, but the first half was literally all in their heads, with Itachi and Sasuke faced off across the room while staring (soulfully??) into each other's eyes. I can only speculate how Madara patiently (or maybe lustfully??) watched the many minutes of the two brothers locked in their ~genjutsu~ battle. Maybe Madara filled in his own storyline and dialogue? Uchiha family fueds! Only for imaginative minds!

(Thank god we're finally finished with Orochimaru; his time was over after Kimimaro turned into a nature sculpture. His cameo in the Uchiha battle was so forced that it nearly exposed Itachi's real intentions. Though. . . there's always Kabuto. . .)

Also laughing so hard at Akatsuki losing so many of their members that they've resorted to recruiting Sasuke's busted-up Team 7, which includes a baby Kisame (those teeth don't lie), Sakura version 2.0 (now with stylish geek glasses!), and. . . Gaara when he still had the Shukaku, only uglier and without the adorable 愛-tattoo charm. (Well, Akatsuki has a shedding tree and camoflauge plant as members already, not like they can do much worse.) Speaking of the most lovable boy in the series, I miss Hidden Sand. :( Even Shino got a solo! Against Madara, no less! Not that I don't appreciate Shino's badassery, but, you know. Not the same.

Sasuke still fails to impress me. He's so empty! No direction, no personal ambitions. From Itachi to Orochimaru to Madara, he acts only to how other people want him to act. He's such a puppet. :( Difference from now and the beginning of the series is that he now has puppets of his own, but that still doesn't ignore the strings holding up his own arms.

Despite that I've now read the series three (3) times, I. . . still don't not see the Naruto & Sasuke OTP / brotherly / rivals-for-life connection, particularly from Sasuke's end. I understand that Kishimoto is setting up an epic Naruto vs Sasuke fight for Hidden Leaf; the prophecy's been in the works since Chapter 1. But the bigger that Naruto's obsession over Sasuke grows, the less and less that Sasuke seems to think about Naruto. It's the exact same problem as when the series started; Sasuke has goals (usually shaped by someone else) and Naruto doesn't factor into any of them. And even though Naruto wants to be part of it, part of Sasuke's life, I don't. . . see. . . why. . . I talked to Cathy about this, and we both can't recall a lot of solidifying Naruto/Sasuke moments in the series. Yes, they were on Team 7 together, but Kishimoto gave that like, half an arc before Orochimaru gave Sasuke his little lovebite. There's a breakthrough when Sasuke tried to kill Naruto, because that signifies that he considered Naruto his best friend, but now we see after Itachi's death and Sasuke's acquiring of the Mangekyou Sharigan that Itachi was ultimately the person closest to Sasuke. I just feel like if Kishimoto still wants to play the eternal rivals card, he should give Naruto and Sasuke more screen time together. Or at least give Sasuke a couple bubble thoughts about Naruto, no matter how small. As it is, there's no indication that Sasuke would remember Naruto over, say, Sakura or Kakashi or even Shikamaru.




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[info]pornography
2008-08-27 01:02 am UTC (link)
Suigetsu is so much hotter than kisame.

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[info]pornography
2008-08-27 01:46 am UTC (link)
ps:
"As it is, there's no indication that Sasuke would remember Naruto over, say, Sakura or Kakashi or even Shikamaru."
so much disagreement with this statement (in fact.....that whole last paragraph...........wtf bing) i can't even begin. whatever i know itachi gets it.

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Just because Naruto can't let go of the/his past doesn't mean Sasuke can't either. :( But I've never been a Naruto/Sasuke fan from the start, so. I was the person who held doubts about Naruto for the first 150 chapters until the epic Naruto vs Gaara battle. Yeah, you can begin hating me now :(

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this is fate. proving you wrong.
[info]pornography
2008-08-28 12:25 am UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/chuunin/4833270.html#cutid1
sroll down; lauren put it in sparkles for you.

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Re: this is fate. proving you wrong.
[info]supplanter
2008-08-28 12:51 pm UTC (link)

Then:

"As it is, there's no indication that Sasuke would remember Naruto over, say, Sakura or Kakashi or even Shikamaru."

Right? XD

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Re: this is fate. proving you wrong.
[info]pornography
2008-08-28 09:31 pm UTC (link)
i knew i should have deleted this comment; of course you were going to come swooping down. ahhhh it just made me happy that just as bing said "at least give Sasuke a couple bubble thoughts about Naruto, no matter how small" we get team seven flashbacks. btw don't respond to any comments i make in future.

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Re: this is fate. proving you wrong.
[info]supplanter
2008-08-28 09:33 pm UTC (link)
:(

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Re: this is fate. proving you wrong.
[info]pornography
2008-08-28 09:36 pm UTC (link)
and keep your faces to yourself

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[info]lovedoesthat
2008-08-27 01:03 am UTC (link)
I AM BING I AM. I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THIS ENTRY BUT THANK GOD NO ONE ELSE CARES ANY MORE AND IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD??? okay if you tear it to shreds in this entry my comment will be embarrassing. reading.....

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[info]lovedoesthat
2008-08-27 01:09 am UTC (link)
well looking at it, nothing could really make my original comment not be embarrassing......... but anyways, busted up team 7 is awesome. i want more itachi flashbacks. sometimes i can't believe naruto is the only manga i've managed to keep reading.

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:20 pm UTC (link)
laughing so hard, actually I got really excited at the Sasuke vs Itachi battle, and I'm pleased that Kishimoto at least has a few more tricks up his sleeve?? I WANT MORE ITACHI FLASHBACKS TOO. God the Uchiha clan are like the only interesting thing about Leaf village now. If I have to slog through any more 1st/3rd/WHATEVER Hokage crap I'm gonna defect to Akatsuki. IT'S OKAY MK I know your eternal devotion to Sasuke and by junction Naruto/Sasuke; I accepted my minority status the first time I picked up this manga.

re: busted up team 7, I reallyyyy do like Suigetsu (tbh I think Kisame's the best person in Akatsuki, too) but Karin & Juugo do nothing for me. Especially Juugo, does he really have a purpose. . . ? Besides Sasuke's #2 fan after Karin?

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[info]uminohikari
2008-08-27 01:18 am UTC (link)
..you know, now that you mention it, I can't think of very many Naruto/Sasuke moments either. Or, ones that aren't just Naruto attempting to get Sasuke to pay attention to him..

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:39 pm UTC (link)
MK the amount of gay moments that Naruto shares with EVERYONE is already staggering - remember when Gaara practically wrote an ode to Naruto's eyes comparing it to a blade of grass? Uh, anyway. But I admire your dedication, ok.

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 02:09 am UTC (link)

The thing that gets me is I can't imagine they had more than a few months together.  Clearly (retcon flashback aside) they never spent time together before graduation, and then as genin they do 8 D-class missions before Wave Country.  Right after they return is Chuunin exams.  Then Naruto goes with Jiraiya to find Tsunade.  Then Sasuke leaves.

We never see Kakashi, lazy ass, training them much.  8 D-class missions composed of grocery shopping and hunting down lost pets wouldn't require more than a couple of weeks.  Hidden Wave doesn't seem like it could possibly have been more than a month, possibly much less.  Chuunin exams were one month from beginning to end.  Finding Tsunade etc. could possibly have taken 2 weeks.  Therefore, official timelines may say otherwise, but because I haven't cared enough to pay attention, in my head it's like they hung out for three months in a mostly one-sided rivalry (which became abruptly hostile when the mere possibility of the rivalry being mutual came up).  Which totally doesn't add up to Eternal Rivals or PMF or anything of the sort. >.>

Actual "moments" pre-timeskip I can think of... I there are 4.  Maybe 5.  They're fairly wishy-washy, or pastede on yay, though. >.>

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:25 pm UTC (link)
I love it when friends do the actual hard work so I don't have to. :> Whatever, it's obvious Kishimoto has a vision and Sasuke's at the end of it. :< What's a little disappointing is that he introduced such an all-star background cast in the beginning/middle chapters and with every new arc we progressively add more and more new characters -- who are mostly cool! But the lack of real background development after the Orochimaru arc makes a lot of the fights/problems/etc seem like a lot of filler and fluff and no real substance.

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 07:29 pm UTC (link)

I miss gaara toooooo... so kyuute. :3  NaruGaa is my naruto otp, I guess, but I'm basically fond of jesus!naruto with anyone he's shown the light, such as neji and sai (though what does sai have invested in team7 reuniting?  I think that bit needs to go away!)  (And you know why I like naruto with these ppl?  BECAUSE THEY ACTIVELY APPRECIATE HIM, DAMN IT.  If only he hadn't promised to bring sasuke back, I think he could have been a lot more productive, the little dumbass.)

I was almost excited when I thought Tobi was supposed to be Obito... is that possibility gone, or is Madara occupying his body, or what?  (When Madara was introduced, I was all "!!! ... am I supposed to know who this is? >.>")  Anyway, I guess the only Akatsuki characters that interest me are Zetsu and maybe Kisame.  Or we could do with more Itachi flashbacks!  Otherwise, I don't care about the Sasuke fangirl that just totally abandoned her Orochimaru fangirl-ness or the rest of Hebi-who-are-no-longer-Hebi-really.  And none of the other jinchuuriki seem to have any staying power; they're just there to die, so w/e, and, yeah. >.>

It's kind of funny how we were all excited about the timeskip, and then when we met everyone again they'd just gotten taller or bustier but Naruto was still basically an idiot and hadn't seemed to make significant advances in his training aside from being able to kill himself faster with that one ability (GOOD GOING, JIRAIYA) and it took Kakashi to get Naruto to upgrade the Rasengan—I thought he put the skip in because he wasn't sure to what to do next, but they were still not at the next step after so afdhlkghfajdlga

IN OTHER WORDS, I AGREE WITH YOUR LAST SENTENCE ENTIRELY.

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[info]two_if_by_sea
2008-08-27 01:24 am UTC (link)
KISHIMOTO STOP WANKING OFF TO SASUKE... IT'LL MAKE FOR A BETTER SERIES...

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 01:57 am UTC (link)

WORD.  And WORD to bing's whole section there on not seeing the naruto-sasuke love (not that I won't still read it, but); the flashback (where they are little kiddies with a sekrit connexion and understanding due to both being SO RONERY WAH) hallucination during their fight at the valley of the end was the most blatently pastede on homogay I'd ever seen.

I'm trying to decide if taking away the Uchiha god-moding would also make a better series... but then would there even be a series anymore? :\

(lily's madaraxitachi art is the hottest thing EVAR, and for me will probably be the sole justification for madara's existence. >.>)

bing, I've read up to ch405... has anything interesting happened in the last 8 chapters, or should I hold off some more?

(I find that it takes me about half an hour to get through a graphic novel... since naruto volumes are ~10 chapters each, 3min an issue seems quite reasonable!)

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I AGREE WITH CATHY. (But then again, Naruto would no longer have a purpose in life, so. . . what's the Hokage name in comparison to the great Uchiha Sasuke? I'm actually only half sarcastic here.) Wasn't there some news bite floating around a few years ago about how Kishimoto admitted that contrary to popular belief Sasuke isn't his favorite character? Or am I mixing up series/mangakas? Whatever, this last arc has totally proven that Sasuke is supposed to be the token "cool" guy and will only discover his humanity (and weakness??) through Naruto, just like all "cool" guys. Honestly, from ch. 406-413, all that happens is that Naruto almost turns into a frog and Sasuke & co. take on the 8-tails. The battle is excruciatingly boring, but I also found the Deidara vs Sasuke battle a waste of space, too, so it's your call.

I find it entertaining that Sasuke and his team accepted to wearing the Akatsuki robes, though. . . did Madara have them specially fitted? /:)

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 07:38 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, I have to assume losing (to) Sasuke really shook his confidence; this failure stuck with him and he's no longer sure even about becoming Hokage, so it's easier to settle on a more concrete goal like getting Sasuke back (but why? he's a traitor, dear) than converting the hearts and minds of everyone in Konoha.  Bah, I say!

I found the Deidara-Sasuke battle boring because clearly its only purpose was to illustrate that Sasuke is now Just As Cool As Itachi, to which my reaction is PFFT! NAW.

(Itachi, I loff you but I think you were... kind of wrong, to traumatize your brother the way you did rather than let him know the truth that his clan were a bunch of snakes... I mean, if the point was to keep Sasuke from turning on Konoha, it kind of failed utterly.)

(Is Karin so much shorter than Konan?  And I think Itachi and Sasuke were almost the same height at the end... maybe Sasuke is wearing his hand-me-downs. XD)

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Sasuke wearing Itachi's old (spare??) Akatsuki robes would almost make this entire mess worth it. ALL I'M SAYING.

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[info]lovedoesthat
2008-08-27 08:15 pm UTC (link)
idk about fav character, but i know kishimoto has said that sasuke is the dumbest member of team 7....

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-28 12:02 am UTC (link)

What? XD  Srsly?

Well, Sakura is definitely supposed to be the smartest; I guess he needs to give his title character some love, too!

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[info]lovedoesthat
2008-08-27 08:30 pm UTC (link)

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 11:26 pm UTC (link)
ASKLDJF so this is why I keep you around. /:)

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[info]two_if_by_sea
2008-08-27 11:47 pm UTC (link)
;askf;askjdf ; OHMYGOD. SO TRAUMATIZING.

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[info]givemehistory
2008-08-27 01:50 am UTC (link)
WHAT.

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[info]beardo
2008-08-27 12:48 pm UTC (link)
lol keywords

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:33 pm UTC (link)
BY KISHIMOTO'S TIMELINE, MADARA SHOULD BE PUSHING 80-100 YEARS OLD AND SASUKE IS. . . 17? Sasuke doesn't see anything wrong with this plan at all, ohhhh noooo. Even Gaara was better at detecting the pedos, yo.

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 02:30 am UTC (link)

<realizes she's gone and ranted all over the comments>

That's kind of... bad form, isn't it? :\  Sorry....

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Dude, you analyze with so much more logic than I do. >:) Hey, I still don't understand the secret to Pain - what's the significance that that all 6 are shinobi that Jiraiya has met before? AND IS NAGATO (or that other kid) ONE OF THEM? I STILL CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT

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[info]supplanter
2008-08-27 07:40 pm UTC (link)

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF PAIN &C IS EITHER, NOW THAT WE KNOW IT'S TOTALLY THE UCHIHA MADARA SHOW ANYWAY.

Unless the point was to get Jiraiya killed—no, that whole thing went over my head, and somehow I suspect it's not the translators or my fault particularly. :\

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[info]pierian
2008-08-27 06:03 am UTC (link)
Did I forget to tell you that it turned gay four months ago on Broadway outside Au Bon Pain? I must have.

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:35 pm UTC (link)
No, no, you did! But somehow this series has the magic ability to be even more gay in context than when taken out.

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[info]beardo
2008-08-27 12:45 pm UTC (link)
Is it me or does that manga page you linked look like really bad fanart.

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-27 06:36 pm UTC (link)
And this is a surprise because. . . ? When Sai asked to see Naruto's cock I called a fandom coup d’état in Kishimoto's office.

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[info]derogatory
2008-08-28 02:24 am UTC (link)
Why is Naruto still happening. Can't Konoha invent an atom bomb already, because I'm tired.

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[info]one_if_by_land
2008-08-28 06:35 pm UTC (link)
If only you were in charge, Jackie. :(

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[info]derogatory
2008-08-28 08:40 pm UTC (link)
What's even more disturbing is that you don't watch the anime... factor that in... so much of my life...gone

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